Excerpt from an Interview with Eve Francis Lorgen 1997 Unusual Research
|“Reptilians, sometimes referred to as alligator men, are described as being negative, hateful, militaristic, and very sexual. They are often reported making sexual assaults on both males and females.
Some abductees or reptilian contacts have reported that the reptiles, in black hooded robes and capes are higher on the hierarchy, and control the greys and even the Nordic types.
It is interesting that throughout history some occultists have been in contact with the ‘Alligator Gods’ by means of rituals and some black magic practices.”
UR By way of introduction, why don’t you tell everyone a little about yourself? You have been involved in experiencer support and related research for a number of years, however your name may not be well known on the Internet at this point.
EFL My name is Eve Frances Lorgen, and I have been running an abductee support group in San Diego County for several years (since 1991). I have a master’s degree in Counseling Psychology, experience in hypnosis, and have been an abductee since childhood. I have a bachelor’s degree in Biochemistry and I worked in the biotech field for seven years before receiving my master’s in Psychology.
My other areas of study are alien abduction phenomena and experienced anomalous trauma, paranormal and the occult, dreamwork, oriental medicine, music, and the Bible.
The whole idea [of what she terms the “spiritual warfare tactics] is to prevent the abductee from getting the information that may be not only within them, but with others who have discovered the alien activities by their own memories. The detracting efforts increase when the reptile type of alien being is discovered in the experiencers abductions and also any military involvement.
Many of these detracting efforts go well beyond spiritual warfare and are outright obvious if you just observe enough cases over a period of time.
If the deception and manipulation or programming is effective on the individual, then they start promoting the alien agenda and its correlate spiritual ideologies, which in most cases denounce Christianity. Instead they may promote the Ashtar Command or other channeled material which appears to be spiritually empowering, but is really a delusion. In most cases, these individuals only want to promote the “positive” experiences and avoid anyone or information that is other than what they want to believe. But the truth of the matter is, if these people were so spiritually evolved as they claim to be, then they would have the capacity to acknowledge their own shadow, and how it operates in themselves and others.
Sometimes the experiencer will get messages from their “guidance” that tell them to stay away from certain researchers or people who especially know about the “negative” alien abduction stuff. In one instance an abductee was led to do certain psychic and healing exercises in a particular energy grid zone area of her home.
The alignment of this energy zone in conjunction with the psychic healing exercises opened up her psychic energy centers and it acted as an energy drain. Then unusual paranormal events occurred in her home and with her daughter, who began having reptilian abductions. An interdimensional portal or doorway was created from these “healing psychic exercises” in the grid zone, which actually increased the alien reptilian contact. The whole effect was that the abductees and their family members became psychically drained and woke up with “claw- marks” and were attacked during the night.
UR So much has been said about the greys. Do the people in your support group report seeing other types of aliens?
EFL I work with several abductees who have had the reptile type of alien encounter. The most common reptile encountered is very tall, 6-10 feet tall, has somewhat of a snout face, red or yellow slit eyes (they also have been observed to have green and yellow eyes, usually snake-like in appearance), clawed hands, sometimes a tail, and are often wearing black robes. Sometimes they wear a type of militaristic garb or breastplate. They are frightening, and often do the sexual assault type of behavior. They are possessive of their abductees.
The interesting thing about reptilians is their ability of mastering illusion and shape shifting. A female abductee had an encounter where a tall being came through an interdimensional doorway or portal right in her bedroom at night. She became paralyzed and the being sexually assaulted her, all the while putting in her mind that she is having sex with her favorite sexual fantasy man. When she looked in its eyes, she realized it was a reptilian with the slit eyes. Some abductees are better than others in breaking through the illusions.
Reptilians can shape shift and have been reported to be seen as tall greys, Nordic types and military men. Some abductees believe the reptile type of alien is the head honcho on the totem pole and really run the show. These are the types of beings that are sometimes reported in the underground base abductions alongside military and lab-coated personnel. These reptile type or alligator beings have been noted throughout history in occult and black magic practices.
Other beings reported other than greys are the tall insectoid beings.
Hot buttons seem to be pushed when trying to get information on the reptile type of encounters and military encounters where aliens and military personnel are working in apparent unison. Reptilians, sometimes referred to as alligator men, are described as being negative, hateful, militaristic, and very sexual. They are often reported making sexual assaults on both males and females.
Some abductees or reptilian contacts have reported that the reptiles, in black hooded robes and capes are higher on the hierarchy, and control the greys and even the Nordic types. It is interesting that throughout history some occultists have been in contact with the “Alligator Gods” by means of rituals and some black magic practices.
What is also interesting, is that when one does a study of the types of abductees that are under surveillance, or have military types of abductions, you will find that the reptiles are involved. They are very telepathic and can communicate through mental third eye imagery.
These beings are interdimensional.